KtK - Vote to remove weapons

I want to vote but it says i am not authorized to execute the actions.

@edit its ok now, i just tried to vote when you were editing the poll.

One question:

If we remove only a few attachements for several weapons, would we be able to keep all the weapons (but with less attachments)? Because if yes I think that'd be the best to do. Like removing ACOG, grip (don't remember if grips are in the mod), grenade launcher...
Though as far as I remember some "ACOGs" for example look different on the weapon in your mod than in the "regular" CoD4 game. Tell me if I'm wrong. These ones should stay. But I feel like regular CoD4 ACOG should go. I think same goes for "reflex". If I remember well, for example it looks different (and very good) on the famas, but when it looks like the "regular" reflex of CoD4 (red dot sight, is that it?), it should be removed as well IMO.

If we can do that I think it'd be way better than getting rid of a complete weapon.

If removing weapons is mandatory, I'd suggest removing M14, maybe MP44, maybe MG42, or maybe less used weapons like dragunov, or maybe M21 non-silenced (if it exists in the mod, don't remember). And one of the "sucky" pistols as well (usp or colt45, is that it? Don't remember if there are others).

What I'd say, really don't remove:
- the worldmodels
- Crossbow
- Intervention
- L96A1
- Magnum
- Minigun
- Silenced m21
- Throwing knife
- Famas
- Aug

just a question:

there are I think 50 or more weapons in cod4. Why can you not just replace these weapons with a modified version.

p90 silencer for example
or defaultweapon_mp

EDIT: my fault. With this way you can customize weapons but you can't add new models.

Why a lot of ppl voted to remove crossbow, it's best custom weapon

Zitat von mirko911

just a question:

there are I think 50 or more weapons in cod4. Why can you not just replace these weapons with a modified version.

p90 silencer for example
or defaultweapon_mp

EDIT: my fault. With this way you can customize weapons but you can't add new models.

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You can add new models with this. I have a list of 98 weapons (all mp weapons with all attachments) to replace, there might be even more.

Zitat von Viking

I can't remove weapons coming with cod4, i can only remove the custom weapons i have added.
Overwriting an existing weapon (like i did with e.g. saw_acog_mp (minigun)) won't help because the game still loads the model of the saw.
The models of the weapons coming with cod4 are compiled in a basic ff file of the game (i think its the common_mp.ff) and this is unchangeable.

edit:
To give you an impression of the amount of custom models i have added to the mod:

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1. //parachute spawning
2. xmodel,vehicle_blackhawk
3. xmodel,parachute
6. //assassin types
7. xmodel,viewmodel_base_viewhands
8. xmodel,body_mp_usmc_woodland_sniper
9. xmodel,head_mp_usmc_ghillie
10. xmodel,body_mp_usmc_desert_sniper
11. xmodel,head_mp_usmc_ghillie_desert
12. xmodel,body_mp_usmc_winter_sniper
13. xmodel,head_mp_usmc_ghillie_winter
14. xmodel,german_sheperd_dog
17. //kings
18. xmodel,body_complete_mp_makarov
19. xmodel,body_complete_mp_kennedy
22. //special players
23. xmodel,playermodel_terminator
24. xmodel,playermodel_mw3_exp_juggernaunt
27. //custom weapons
28. xmodel,viewmodel_mw2_magnum
29. xmodel,worldmodel_mw2_magnum
30. xmodel,viewmodel_bo_crossbow
31. xmodel,worldmodel_bo_crossbow
32. xmodel,projectile_bo_arrow_explosive
33. xmodel,mw2_intervention_vm
34. xmodel,mw2_intervention_wm
35. xmodel,viewmodel_mp_double_barrel
36. xmodel,weapon_mp_db_shotgun
37. xmodel,weapon_m21SD_woodland
38. xmodel,viewmodel_m21sd
39. xmodel,viewmodel_bear_minigun
40. xmodel,weapon_bear_minigun
41. xmodel,viewmodel_mp_mosinnagant_rifle
42. xmodel,weapon_mp_mosinnagant_rifle
43. xmodel,viewmodel_mp_mg42_mg
44. xmodel,weapon_mp_mg42_bipod_mg
45. xmodel,viewmodel_throwknife_mp
46. xmodel,viewmodel_bo_famas
47. xmodel,worldmodel_bo_famas
48. xmodel,viewmodel_ump45_mp
49. xmodel,weapon_ump45
50. xmodel,weapon_ump45_silenced
51. xmodel,rccar
52. xmodel,viewmodel_bo_aug_hbar
53. xmodel,worldmodel_bo_aug_hbar
54. xmodel,viewmodel_usa_morphine
55. xmodel,viewmodel_bo_L96
56. xmodel,worldmodel_bo_L96
57. xmodel,viewmodel_katana
58. xmodel,viewmodel_javelin
59. xmodel,weapon_javelin
60. xmodel,projectile_javelin_missile
63. //Killstreaks - Hardpoints
64. xmodel,com_plasticcase_green_big
65. xmodel,sentry_gun
66. xmodel,viewmodel_supply_drop
69. //Easter eggs (removable - only 2 meh..)
70. xmodel,hundekot
71. xmodel,com_junktire
74. //exploding body when killed by an explosive arrow
75. xmodel,gib_flesh
76. xmodel,bloody_arm_left
77. xmodel,bloody_arm_right
78. xmodel,fleshy_boot

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Okay so what you put in the spoiler are ALL the custom models you could remove?
So what you put in the vote are all the weapons you can possibly remove I guess. Thought there were more than this

Btw, I think removing the world models is a bad idea. It would really suck to think your opponent has a certain weapon, but actually has another one. You can sometimes act differently depending on what weapon your ennemy has. Not often, okay, but anyway it'd suck

Another question, if you remove crossbow, I suppose it means removing crossbow with regular arrows + crossbow with explosives? Coz that would really suck IMO

If my opinion can influence someone, I'd personnaly remove first MG42, second mosin-nagant, third Javelin (if needed).

One last thing, if regular CoD4 weapons are obliged to load anyway, why not putting them in the mod? Like mp5, scorpion... Are you obliged to use the regular weapons names for the custom weapons? Or cannot you just make up new names for the custom weapons?
Anyway, even if that's a problem, if you remove 2 or 3 weapons, you'll be able to add the "regular" weapons instead, I guess. Don't know if I was really clear

PS: Made the thread sticky.

PS2: People, you can edit your vote if you want, it's possible

Zitat von UFaced

One last thing, if regular CoD4 weapons are obliged to load anyway, why not putting them in the mod? Like mp5, scorpion... Are you obliged to use the regular weapons names for the custom weapons? Or cannot you just make up new names for the custom weapons?
Anyway, even if that's a problem, if you remove 2 or 3 weapons, you'll be able to add the "regular" weapons instead, I guess. Don't know if I was really clear

he can modify the values of default weapons (ammo, damage, reload time). Also he can rename the weapons. But a renamed AK47 still looks like an AK47.
He can maybe change the looking of an AK to P90 Look, but not to (what's the last gun in ktk is called?)

Zitat von Viking

edit:
I think we should cancel the vote at this point.
From what i can see do the weapons belong to ktk like the kennedy model
They were in from the beginning and should not be removed. Yay!
I'll think about an other solution, currently i got the following in my mind:

1. Joining the head and the body of the assassin types (makes 3 instead of 6 models) Sounds good
2. Removing either the terminator or the juggernaut model (1 model less) Naaah
3. Replacing the throwing knife with the default knife (again 1 model less) Sounds good (if we're still able to throw knives?)
4. Removing the 2 easter eggs - tbh the dog shit is not as funny as i thought, and the tire on death sucks too (2 models less) Never understood what the deathtire is? Just saw it in the cfg. Removing the poop is good IMO
- Would save 7 models here -

Not sure if possible:
1. Replacing the box of the carepackage with a box which is already in the game (again 1 model less) Sounds good
2. Joining all models needed for the gore effect (makes 1 model instead of 4) Sounds good
- Would save 4 models here -

Not sure if i should do it:
1. Removing the worldmodel of the silenced UMP45 (i'm not sure if it's such a big deal if we see a silenced or a non-silenced weapon) (again 1 model less) Sounds good. And why not doing the same with Famas and Aug? And with other attachments?
- Would save 1 model here -

In total i could save 12 models if everything works as it does currently in my mind
But realizing this would take some time We can play with a few maps less for a few weeks or months no problem

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Zitat von Viking

So yeah, we have 2 models less now.
Better then nothing

Yeah better than nothing
If you still need to remove weapons, IMO the only 2 weapons that could be removed are MG42 (because IMO it looks ugly (MG42_WaW.png for those who don't know what MG42 is)), and the Mosin nagant, because first, I like a lot more the snipers with "sighting glasses", and furthermore it has a very bad rising animation (maybe no rising animation actually?). All the other weapons are looking great and are used a lot more (at least on our server ).

What about the wordmodels of weapons with attachments btw (replacing them with the models without attachments)?

Random thought: Is it possible to reduce a bit the L96A1 reloading time? It's really long (because we can't "cancel" the end of the reloading animation like we can do with most weapons in CoD4).

Btw, what was the tire on death?