Beiträge von Viruz

  • 3xP' CJ-Team | Increasing quality and standards for 2016

    i didnt understand your request wrong as u already told someone else before the same thing, especially i think alot of the guys who answered understood your request very well to focus more on skill and not only on skill.


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    Now where in this analogy can you disagree with the statement
    that a higher level of the core skill, will ultimatively
    lead to an increase of the following content creating quality?


    In the way you think about it yes, if u compare guyA making a cj video while being inter skill will lead in a worse product, then if the same guyA would make a video while being high skilled in cj.
    But in a realistic environment if guyA would make video while being inter skill, he would do a video of the high skilled guyB and guyC.


    And now if guyA, guyB and guyC would like to join the team and we would increase the focus on skill, we would be more likely to accept guyB and guyC rather then guyA.
    But acually guyA is the most worthy guy for the team, he is the one which brings the team a benefit, and who puts the most work into the team. So i want that we are more likely to accept guyA.


    In this situation the skill of guyA dont change his worthyness for the team, because his skill is irrelevant as long as he fullfits the low needed skill standards which we have.
    And additinaly i cant imagine any situation where this is diffrent, the skill dont matters.
    Because we dont get a benefit or a disadvantage from the individual skill of a player,
    beside when hes under the actual low skill requirement.




    U basicly already said it: "or have some other person be good at it" this is the point,
    so if we focus on higher skill, it would be not possible or way harder for f.e. Bushido , to join the team.
    But i would like to accept him in the team due his energy he puts in to CJ through maps.


    This is a negative aspect of focusing more on skill.



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    Having someone finish mp_bouncer_training, even supported
    by the best editing will not result in a good public appearance.


    That is true, but as we know people mostly will edit demos from other guys.
    So if there would be a guy who activly produces cj videos, but sucks in cj, i would like to accept him as hes still more worthy then a skilled guy who produces nothing.




    And yes i know some skill is required in cj to get more into cj video making maps making or to simply play with the other from the team.
    This is why we have a skill requirement which requires you to be a little bit skilled (medium skill).


    So you would like to increase the skill needed to join the CJ Team,


    so im asking myself "What benefit is there for the Team if a member is f.e. hard+ insteat of hard- skill?"
    Im answering it myself with "There is no benefit for the Team." This doesnt change anything for the team. The only case would be that he maybe can test harder maps for mappers
    and providing higher skilled jumps in demos or would increase the reputation of 3xP' as a high skill team more, which we never focused on and never will focuson.
    But im not willing to say no to a good applicant that isnt hard+ or what, just to get these little benefits.


    It works the same the other way around when im asking myself "What cons are there for the Team if a member is f.e inter+ instead of hard+ skill?"
    Also here i dont really find a bad thing for the team. Because what changes for the team, he cant test harder maps but for that he could test inter ways better then a hard+ player. he couldnt provide good demos. he couldnt help that much people.
    But if hes a nice guy and got friends in the team, plays active or even is doing a map or videos n stuff like this, i would be likely to accept him.



    In this train of thought you can see how irrelevant the skill of an individual is, for being a member of the team from my point of view.
    He has to be inter/inter+ or more, thats the only thing which gives the team real benefits.
    And if i dont see benefits, or even see negative points (which i do), i dont want to change it.




    So all in all:


    if hes over the actual low skill requirement which we have,
    I think its pointless and unimportant and dont change the worth of an individual for the team, if he is high skilled or low skilled,

  • 3xP' CJ-Team | Increasing quality and standards for 2016

    Ill note dont some of my oppinion


    So at first i need to say that i hardly agree with mirko, splitting the ranks wont be good for the team.



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    Do you really think this is not possible without
    putting everyone in the team instantly ?


    No i think it is possible without putting everyone in the team instantly, not like we handled it the most time.
    This is why we changed the application system.
    At the moment it takes at least 1 Month after people wrote their apply, to get in the team, And for each time you fail the test it takes another Month additionaly.
    I think its by far to early to judge about it as we just have one guy applied since the changes, which is Weezie.


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    At this point, members opinion and even votes do not have
    a significant relevance to the final decision.
    The current feedback shows you if the person is liked by the team,
    and thats basically it.


    This is true,
    but dont think that because of that we will continue to accept every one.
    To justify f.e why we accepted Weezie (5 No Votes 7 Yes Votes) is because we know him for before the CJ Team times, and talked alot with him.
    That is why i think that i can say that he is worthy to join the team, and this were ofcorse also discussed with the other cj leaders.




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    Now you might ask yourself, if this person would have gotten that far
    without being a member in the team. And that's a good question.
    And i will answer with yes.


    You will answer it with yes, but i will answer that with no. Why?
    Because i know it from myself, from the moment on where we started the team (i were intershitnoob) my skill significantly increased,
    because you have more contanct with the people when you are in the same team and its more likley that you will get help from a guy if hes in your crew.
    Also i were always in teamspeak with better people from the team, which wouldnt have been the case if there would be no team.


    Also same for my youtube skill, these days i can edit relativly good, and i got all the motivation to learn it, doing botw over the past year and alot of other videos,
    from the Team i where in, representing the group in the internet, and not just me as an individual.


    Being in the team is what really gives you motivation to improve your skills in cj and the things around it, not the willing to get into a team.




    To this i just can say no.
    You are talking about the average skill of the members, which is a part of the professionality but a very small part.


    My definition of Professionality in the CJ Team is for example that we are able to reach new people, which is only able through aciveing good
    public occurs, through youtube and social media f.e. . Also managing the server and guarantee that people have a playground that will be repaired when its broken.
    Having responsible people for each section, which magaging their section without the need of other guys forcing them to do so.
    Or being able to manage releases, f.e. boucebuilder, With well made walktrhoughs, tutorials and without f.e script bugs in the map which lead in rare server crashes or so.
    And ofcourse its also the ability of members to actually play codjumper, to help new people, provide testers and stuff like this.


    The Professionality of a team like ours, is defined by the people and what work they do in the team. A team full of good players who are doing nothing but providing demos, may have professional skill, but no real professionalty in more important sections like f.e. getting know in the scene or giving people a platform to get each other known.




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    With more advanced (professional) members, maps AND videos
    will reach higher standards automatically.


    No. Just because you get good in one thing, doesnt mean that you get good in other things.


    The jumps in the videos are harder, but this does not affect the skill of the editor to create a valueable media product. Look cj videos that are out there. The most of the Videos with very hard jumps are poorly made without any concept or professionality in video producing.
    Also Maps arent getting better just because you get skill in cj, i remind you f.e mp_galaxy, was made by deleted User in his times where he wasnt that good in cj, but it reached a very high standart, because of a very good concept.
    or mp_planets_v2 which is a really nice map made by a guy who isnt even able to beat hard ways :P

  • 3xP' CJ-Team | Increasing quality and standards for 2016

    So tbh,


    i wouldnt like to kick people just because they arent that good as others, that would suck hard. But ofc there would be other way to do what u want pawz. F.e.: if we would split the member rank into 3-4 other ranks which will be given out depending on skill,
    BUT i dont know what benefit we have from doing that, the only thing which i see is that ppl have more energy to get better in cj, but this mostly helps the individual, not the team.


    If i would like to split the ranks, then i would split them depending on how much the people do for the team, in things of producing videos maps whatsoever, putting energy into it, managing events, having ideas AND CONVERT them and playing active because these things are really valueable for the team, and only this would increase the professionality of the team, not how good an individual member is.

  • WeeZie's CJ Application

    Even if we had quite alot of no Votes we decided to accept Weezie in the 3xP' CJ Team, he has 3 Yes from the 3xP' CJ Lead. We know him also from the past, was always polite and nice allday.

  • Bounces

    yea u are getting better :D nice, keep the vids coming :P


    small critism:
    -@ Some slowmos fps look a little bit low, keep in mind f.e. a 120 fps clips played with 25% volocity will just play with 30 fps, try to not let it go under 25 fps.
    - Sometimes a bit overused slowmotions, even when the song was full of action :P

  • WeeZie's CJ Application

    #passed test in 1:59

    From now your application will stay open for 3 Weeks, so cj members can build an oppinion about you, after that there will be an anonymus vote for 1 Week to give the cj lead a clear oppinion of the members

  • Removing Inactive Members from the 3xP' CJ Team

    @Reimu ah okay sry that we forgot your inactive msg :/


    for validation stuff, drizz cant generate them, just me or mirko (fr33git). The best ways to contact us are through steam or teamspeak, were online there alot.
    the code is valid for 10 mins, so would be the best if u contact me when u want to join the server, then ill give your the validation code, and reset you member and everything =)